Tape transcript of a 1984 lecture by Ron DeWolfe, L Ron Hubbard Jr, describing use of Magick and hypnosis in by his father, L Ron Hubbard,

Transcript provided by Bill de Carle

"the same individual that transmitted the various Magick tech to Adolf Hitler as a young man also transmitted them to Dad. And like Dad, Hitler, when he came to power, promptly had his teachers and the occult field in general wiped out" L Ron Hubbard Jr - 1984 tape transcript

TRANSCRIPT OF TAPE #1 OF JUNE 28, 1984 - RON DEWOLF

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Thursday, June 29th, 1984. This tape is not copyrighted, it is not patented, and it is not trademarked. You are free to use this information or this tape in any way that you please. Freedom and independence is what it is all about now, and you therefore may exercise your own prerogatives regarding this tape. I will however simply state that it is true and factual and as so many other people have done in the past you will find that your own reality, your own perception and your own awarenesses over the years will prove what I am talking about in this tape as true. If I had a penny for every time I have told someone "I told you so" then I would be a millionaire by now. You will also find as time goes on here that other sources, records, documents, court cases, papers, and affidavits and testimony from literally scores if not hundreds of people will verify and substantiate what I am talking about and possibly will give you some idea as to why there has been a quarter-century campaign to keep me quiet and to keep me contained. A campaign which has proven so far to be highly unsuccessful and will continue to fail. The truth will set you free and that is the basic stable datum this tape is based on.

My name is Ron DeWolf, I live at 1401 East Long Street, Apartment 101, Carson City, Nevada 89701. My telephone number is: (702) 883-6738. I was formerly known as L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. or by the nickname, Nibs. I am L. Ron Hubbard's oldest son and by his first marriage - one of three - and I was rather deeply involved in the formation of the beginning organizations of Scientology and tech from 1950 to November 23rd, 1959, when I left the organization.

There has been a great deal of disinformation spread around the world about me, both from inside the orgs and outside; there has been a great deal of rumor and generally a great deal of it is untrue (some of it is true) and I thought that you might like to hear about some things from me and look me over and then you make up your own mind.

Ninety-nine percent of what my father ever wrote or said about himself to the press, the media, the public and the membership is totally and completely untrue and false. So therefore that old phrase "Consider the source" cannot just be applied to me but must be applied to him also. And this phrase, "Consider the source" is in itself totally and completely inaccurate and is only a statement to dead-agent both myself and my father - or anyone else for that matter. What is appropriate, true and accurate is: "Consider the facts and consider the truth". As you will discover in these tapes, that source actually has very little meaning. Truth is truth; truth is an isness. Truth existed before the world began and will still be persisting until long after the world ends, so therefore "source of truth" really has no bearing on anything. What is important is the discovery of truth and its application. That is, to what purpose is the truth put, to what goals it is used for, the method in which the truth is applied, to what benefit the truth is used, that is, who benefits by its use or its non-use or its being hidden or exposed. Such things as truth, facts, knowledge and discoveries, and techniques, are tools, and they in themselves don't have the ability to create or cause any action, effect or result. It is what people do with them that is important. It's the Being behind the tool. A scalpel can cut your throat or it can repair a body. A hammer can bash somebody's brains out or build a house. Therefore, what's more important is the individual's intention and action with that tool, not the tool itself. And again, it's the truth itself, not necessarily the source, that is important. L. Ron Hubbard tried very hard to assign source to himself when in truth he wasn't, and tried very hard to publicly and even privately own truths that he had no right to. These truths belong to the membership or to anyone else that cares to use them openly and freely. There were dozens and dozens of times throughout the fifties in which he would work himself into a monumental rage and shout and scream that Scientology was HIS, that HE created it, that HE invented it. That is not true. And he would take steps to quickly suppress any other thought or idea through the use of force, fear, intimidation, blackmail and all of that "good" GO stuff.

Scientology and its tech belong to the people and belong to the people who use it. L. Ron Hubbard may have been a crossroads of truth and communication but he tried to act as creator, which was a total misassignment of cause and creation which of course, naturally, was highly detrimental to his own case and his own bank and his own progress and to the growth and proper development organizationally.

He tried to by force make a lie persist. If any of you out there happen to have some of the early Journals of Scientology and Professional Auditors Bulletins that go on back to 1952 through say about 1955, you will note some interesting things, some interesting things regarding source. For instance, L. Ron Hubbard gave honorary Fellows of Scientology Certificates to at least a couple of dozen people of the past, such as Freud, Alfred Korzybsky (the great semanticist), Dr. Snake Thompson, a psychiatrist in the Navy that my father knew via my grandfather. He named many, many sources for Scientology at various times throughout these early years. You see, one of the problems Dad has had with me is that I've been around the family, him and Scientology since before the beginning, and I have a very long and pretty darned good memory. And then also, insofar as tech itself is concerned, there's great vast chunks of it that he did not invent or create. But the moment somebody came up with it he took it over and falsely owned it and suppressed the original source. I can give you several examples and I think that if you talked to some of the people that's been around for a long time you can easily substantiate this. As an example, the creation and invention of exteriorization was by Evans Farber. He's the son of J. Burton Farber who set up the very first Church of Scientology of California which of course later, as it was set up and running well, Dad and I took over. So as you can see, the Church of Scientology of California is not original with L. Ron Hubbard, but with J. Burton Farber. I can remember sitting around in Dad's house on Tatem Boulevard in Phoenix, Arizona in 1953 - excuse me, 1952 - and Evans Farber, who was at that time attached to Ross Lamoureux's Dianetic and then Scientology center there in Phoenix, pacing around out in the front yard, not going away, demanding to see Dad. And in fact I even took out some cool drinks to the man, feeling sorry for him. But Dad absolutely refused to see him, he couldn't be bothered to talk with him. Evans was really super persistent and finally, after several hours of pacing around out front they got to talking. It wasn't more than about an hour later and Dad is jumping up and down in great glee and enthusiasm over this whole new procedure. And it wasn't too long after that all of a sudden L. Ron Hubbard had invented and created the thing called exteriorization. I think you can verify this with Evans Farber, who is still out and around Scientology. Then of course such things as acknowledgments was invented by a Richard Steves. Dick Steves, who was also Organizational Secretary (Org Sec) which was at that time the highest position in any organization. It would correspond to the head of the International Organization. And so that was started to be taught in the advanced clinical courses, which by the way I did over twenty of them. And then you have Jack Horner who taught Advanced Clinical Courses in England, an absolute master and superb teacher. He came up with I believe, the repetitive question. I believe I'm correct in that but he also I think came up with a couple of other very important things that are still used today. He's certainly out there alive and kicking and doing a good job, so why don't you ask him.

Let's take also the TR's. Gad, I invented about half of them and Dick and Jan Halpern who were assistant course instructors in the Advanced Clinical Courses made quite a heavy contribution in that area. You have also the CCH's. Dick and Jan and Ken Barrett and I contributed probably better than half of that plus particularly 8C - 8C's my baby. I came up with that because I got tired of the students not doing what I told them to do and when I told them to do something they had bloody well better have done it. So this was a good way of teaching control.

Dianetics and Scientology therefore, insofar as its creation, implementation and operation truly belongs on the 3rd Dynamic, not the 1st Dynamic. Scientology and Dianetics as a science literally evolved from 1950 forward, and it didn't grow and become stable as tech without the very important contributions from many sources both inside and outside Scientology. If anybody has a librarian bent, just do some early research. I and many others have made it possible for people to ask questions, do research and to do the impossible. The impossible means to openly and freely communicate and to openly and freely practise Scientology as they see fit. Some of the very heavy main sources of Scientology come from Zen Buddhism and Hinduism and the Vedic Hymns and the very deep, strong and very, very real (dangerous and destructive I might add) involvement of Dad in the Magick and the Magick tech come straight out of the Bible and are biblically based. As a small aside here, the book Alice in Wonderland (which of course some of the TRs are based on) and the companion book Alice Through the Looking Glass, were written by a master adept at the Magick. And he was, as they all are, unknown and secret. He was also a secret member of the Order of the Golden Dawn of which Aleister Crowley, the English black magician was involved in. And of course it was purposely used and put there by Dad because of its Magick association. And Dad used it secretly in the Scientology training to gain a higher degree of control over staff, students and preclears for himself personally. So therefore the bottom line is that while L. Ron Hubbard may be a crossroads, he certainly is not "The Source". And naturally I think you can see what would happen to him personally and to the organizations when he got so deeply involved in the misassignment of source, the misassignment of cause, when he tried to own things or have things that weren't his. And also when he tried to get people to focus on him as a terminal, as a source terminal rather than (on) the truth, or in this the plural truths. That is to focus on the MEST rather than the theta. It would be like getting someone to focus on the TV set instead of the message, the truth, the information and the knowledge coming through the TV set. The TV set is not Source at all. And naturally, trying to make the lie persist, one gets heavily into force, disconnection and suppression.

And to make another accurate statement - that L. Ron Hubbard probably was the greatest suppressive in Scientology. Because there's another prime truth you ought to know, and that is that Dad never practised what he preached. Anyone who has had any personal contact, communication, living-with or personal involvement with L. Ron Hubbard can attest to that. Whether it be at home, the family, friends, staff, on the Apollo, those people can understand when I say that ninety-nine percent of whatever my father ever said or ever wrote about himself to the press, media, public and membership is totally false and untrue. It is just total fabrication. And you can also see that any self- respecting auditor who had audited Dad was in many instances very perplexed and could not figure out what the heck was going on. Because L. Ron Hubbard didn't get any case gains, at least in the normal sense of the word, because he had so many withholds. One of the major secret withholds (besides all the others of course) is his deep and very real involvement with the Magick tech. The one major thing he could not openly communicate, so he drove auditors nuts because in truth what the auditors were dealing with is the mock-up, not the person, not the real bank, not the individual. He was dealing with this great huge - as they say in Magick, the "construct". And one of the problems that friends, family and staff kept running into is that the L. Ron Hubbard they saw and talked to and worked with was not the Scientology L. Ron Hubbard, and slowly but surely, regardless of the justifications and rationalizations, saw the truth, bit-by-bit, inch-by-inch. This created the old early fifties horror formula: Must but Can't. That is, they saw the truth and must communicate it but can't. The other half is that they had to withhold but can't. You found this around a great many of the staff members, friends and family: Must withhold but can't. The other half is Must communicate but can't. This of course caused the opposing lockup in one's bank and caused tremendous overpowering negative feedback. It would be like being stuck between two plates in a battery with both sides trying to discharge against each other and you're in the middle - and you're trying to keep them from discharging.

You see, one cannot withhold truth. One cannot destroy truth. And one was forced (when one was in and around L. Ron Hubbard) to withhold truth. A lie will not persist so people were forced to make the lie persist and to do absolutely opposite from what was possible. One can just maintain a reverse polarity so long before they go into meltdown. The basic problem is that people just could not separate L. Ron Hubbard's case and the tech. Now I think it's about time you did. It is not necessary to throw the baby out with the bath water. The tech is 3rd Dynamic not 1st Dynamic. The tech originated from many sources not one source. The tech belongs to those people who use it, who follow its precepts, who realize the truth in it and practise it. That is, simply practise what you teach and practise what the tech preaches. I think if Dad were to listen to any of his own tapes the one he should probably listen to is the tape on the subject of "The Only One".

So its up to you to separate the wheat from the chaff. It's up to you to separate the fact and the opinion - LRH's opinion. The power of Scientology came from the field and in many instances if not all, gains were made in cases and the tech moved forward in spite of the orgs and in spite of L. Ron Hubbard. You made it work where it really wasn't supposed to work sometimes.

Another important fact you should know is that Dad could not stand a terminal of comparable magnitude. If anyone got close to his power level he destroyed them. You will note (going clear back to 1950) that anyone who really, truly and honestly was Clear or OT (and there were quite a number of them, I mean real honest-to-God ones that truly were as defined in the early days, I'm talking about from 1952, summer thereof, through the middle fifties - that's where the actual definitions came from), that those people were literally, systematically, overtly, by postulate and decision, destroyed. All you have to do is ask your neighbor, your fellow ex-member or member as the case may be, to find these original Clears and OTs and ask them what happened to them. Take John McMaster. He was not, by the way, the first Clear. I find that most interesting, that's another destructive ploy. When these people would come up to the actual being Clear, they were announced as being the First Clear or the First OT or the First MEST Clear, and then, when their abilities were truly demonstrated and found workable (that is if they were out there doing what Clears really do and demonstrating what a Clear can really do), then they were quickly put into not-isness and gotten down into Traitor, Enemy or some other good stuff. Then after they were successfully destroyed, when another Clear would show up, then they were again the First Clear. But of course a Clear does not toe the mark; a Clear does not make a lie persist and a Clear becomes fast approaching a terminal of comparable magnitude to L. Ron Hubbard and then dear old Dad would destroy them. And you would find that a few weeks or months later another First Clear would show up. This ran on about a six-month cycle from the end of 1950 to date. One of the main problems Dad had with Clears is that Clears practised what they preached and Dad didn't. And Clears very quickly found out that Dad didn't. And that's the one thing that would cause instant destruction: the revelation of that one piece of data. You can't find one Clear or OT in 34 years that didn't get run over by a herd of L. Ron Hubbard elephants and didn't feel like they had been stuck in the Coliseum with a hundred raging tigers and lions. I mean they really got chewed up and spit out!

Most of my auditing, by the way, was received from L. Ron Hubbard, probably ninety percent of it. I went Clear and OT which of course started to cause problems because I started to demonstrate Clear and OT abilities which of course always was a no-no. And again you don't have to take my word for it, just ask anybody that went Clear or OT and find out what happened to them.

The best solution for them, many of them found out as I found out, was to cut and run. If you went OT and Clear, go find a foxhole out in the boondocks somewhere because you knew that L. Ron Hubbard would come and try to get you. And you were only as useful (when you went Clear and OT) as you had PR value, as long as you were willing to be the token Clear or the token OT as in the civil rights (before civil rights movement here in the United States) being the token Black. As long as you were willing to play the Uncle Tom role you were fine. The only problem with that was that a Clear and OT embodied the very precepts of Scientology: ARC, power, truth, justice and freedom of expression and just basically "Clearness", which didn't quite jibe with organizational practice. Plus they have the added dimension of a much higher degree and ability of perception and so, since L. Ron Hubbard had a great deal to hide, including the Magick tech, he was very fearful of that being perceived. That is, people would look behind the ridges and look behind the withhold. Of course in my own particular case, which is not terribly unique, besides being Clear and OT I also was his son and knew all of the real and true facts of his actual life and activities, which of course was a hundred and eighty degrees out. Plus I had the added dimension of his having taught me the Magick tech so I posed an even greater threat. That's why he pulled out all the stops and tried to stop and destroy me and to shut me up. But me being me, with the same abilities he taught me, made it kind of difficult and so I'm still here. I'm still walking and I'm still talking and so are a lot of other Clears and OTs and so are a lot of other people and staff.

I firmly believe there is great strength in diversity, by the way. That the getting together and communicating and even diverse and opposing opinions can produce positive results. That a singular opinion, a singular path or a singular policy is not conducive to creativity, expansion or benefit. You really must ask yourselves a series of questions. Those questions are: Whom do you serve? Whom do you benefit? Do you benefit L. Ron Hubbard? Do you benefit an organization or do you benefit your preclear? Do you benefit your student? Your growth, expansion and monetary remuneration is in direct proportion to your ability to gain results for your student and preclear, not fill the coffers of any organization or any one individual. Competition is very, very healthy, and is the only really solid way to grow. And within Dianetics and Scientology that is expressed by getting results. It's the great leveler. It's the great growth hormone. Scientology is not L. Ron Hubbard's, it is yours. And you will grow and so will Scientology in direct ratio to your ability to get those results, to benefit your preclear and student, to making him more able and leading and living a better life, to being more successful, to making more money, to have a happier life. And again, this is based on workable, demonstrable results as the student or preclear sees it. One of the tricks and the ploys by the way, as time went on in Scientology, was to "make the E-meter Cause" and to "let the E-meter tell you so". It didn't make any difference how the guy felt, it's what the E-meter said. If the E-meter said you were flat on a subject, when then you were flat on the subject. It didn't make any difference if you really were or you felt that you were. The same applied to results in sessions and in classes as a student. A fellow knows the subject when he knows it. I mean that's a dumb statement, but that's true. And to just run him through a high speed checklist because we have another class coming in and that means more money ... if that becomes more important, then you're dead in the water. That is, to put it another way, ritual had become more important than substance. The checksheet, as an example, was more important than actual results or actual training, knowledge, learning and the ability to use the tech.

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The actual mechanics of training or the mechanics of auditing became more important than getting results. Again, the ritual became more important than substance. I see that a great deal in TRs recently. Over the years they became rote, they became mechanical, they became ritualistic. The ritual was more important than the original purpose and intention of the TRs, which was breaking the components of an auditing session down into manageable, trainable and learnable steps. It taught you to audit bit-by-bit, piece-by-piece in a relaxed normal manner and atmosphere. But I see that what has happened over the last several years... it has been turning out robots, making you mechanical, ritualistic. The substance has been lost. And I would imagine in just a few more years the actual true meaning and purpose and reason for the TRs will be completely lost. People will be running the TRs as a religious ritual and not know at all what the hell was behind it at all or what the purpose was, but they do know they're supposed to do it. And it will turn itself into a highly stylized dance. People will be graded on how well they do the dance and not graded at all on its purpose or reason.

Another way to say it is... is that the theta has been removed from the TRs, it's that simple. One of the goals could be (and should be I think) in Scientology in general is to get theta back into Scientology. One of the things I'm certain you've heard a great deal of is "Don't demonstrate Clear or OT abilities because it might compromise, damage, hurt someone else's reality" ... Bullshit! The reason Dad put that in in the mid-fifties was simply because he did not want those abilities demonstrated - again "terminal of comparable magnitude" stuff. The actual fact of the matter, if you will look at things historically and in actual MEST universe fact, is that a student should always be superior to the teacher. That is, a teacher should do such a good job that his students, as time and events proceed down the time track, become greater than the teacher. If that rule is applied then this promotes growth, expansion and research, and of course, benefit and result. A teacher should promote growth and the cutting of the apron strings so that they can go out and do bigger and better things. An organization should exist only to serve the membership, not the other way around. The rule should be that the organization or any organization should promote and ensure and help the success of its members, not itself.

I might point out too, personally speaking, insofar as organizations are concerned that I neither lead nor follow any man. I seem to have acquired an aversion to organizations.

The purpose of this tape is the dissemination of truth, not self- aggrandizement on my part nor the promotion of myself. I am very happy to speak before groups, set up and run seminars, lecture and make tapes - in fact talk to anyone about anything, anytime. I'm also anti-secrecy and I believe that everything in and about Scientology should be communicated so each individual can view all the facts face-up on the table and make up their own minds. One of the reasons for this tape is that I've seen too many people throw the baby out with the bath water, throw in the sponge, cave in and just plain flat give up. And that particular viewpoint is as bad as a slavish, blinded following of L. Ron Hubbard. So therefore, don't slam dunk yourself at either end of the dichotomy. Again, put theta back into Scientology and throw out another one of Dad's little control mechanisms (which he said at least a hundred times): "Don't think, do it!" Sorry, but that's reverse. Think, perceive, look, compute and when you do that I think you'll find that it is an honor to be declared. It's your badge of courage. It is your mark of returning to self-determination. And I would strongly suggest that you not go out there and try to clear the planet or save the world or build a Brave New World or Utopia. Forget it. Take care of yourself and your preclear and your student, and if everybody did that then all the goals would be reached. The simple rule here is: you do it, one on one and one by one. Never ever turn your brains off for any man or any cause.

As you well know by now, Dad thought he was the 8th Dynamic, and that that was the most important dynamic, when in truth and in fact what's important is the 1st Dynamic. I mean by that: you. And when you get that in order, go on to the 2nd, 3rd Dynamics and put them back into order. They're listed that way, you know, one through eight. They're not listed in Dad's private world in reverse, where the 8th is actually number one. Just operate on them and list them exactly as he originally listed them. Simple.

One of the things that really drove Dad bananas and truly freaked him out was actual demonstration in his presence of Clear and OT ability. And he actually suppressed it for reasons I've already given you. Plus of course he thought and was afraid someone would somehow find the Magick doors. So therefore you will notice another trend over the last 34 years, and that is that the state of Clear and the state of OT has degenerated from a state of ability to a state of mind. That is, from a level of actually being able to do something down to a level of thinking you can do it. Which again is a hundred and eighty degrees out by design. And again for reasons already stated.

As I've said many times, Scientology does not work as stated by L. Ron Hubbard but works as intended by L. Ron Hubbard. And I think by now on this tape and my other statements in the press and the media and to other individuals, you can now understand what those intentions may have been. By the way (I've been asked this many times so I'll answer it here on the tape too) - the interview of me in the June 1983 issue of Penthouse magazine is true and accurate, period. There are two or three typos but that's about it. And of course it has been edited down.. seven or eight hours of interview to about 5000 words. The main reason I broke into the press and the media is very simple: people tried to shut me up. I am not here to be liked or revered; I'm here to get the facts out to the public and to the membership and to the defectors and to anybody, including your Aunt Tilly. What you do with the facts and the truth is up to you, and at this juncture in time you don't have to believe me blindly or disbelieve me blindly. There are literally hundreds of people that can now substantiate what I say and there are now literally thousands and thousands of documents which back up what I say. And again, I've told people for 25 years: "I told you so". So you don't have to like me at all but you'd better love the truth and real freedom and actual independence.

I've said many times, by the way, the upper levels are not only unworkable, they are highly destructive and detrimental. And again, that's for reasons already stated. He wanted you to get close but not too close. And for God's sakes, don't arrive! Now I'm going to give you a clue, and I'm not going to do your thinking for you, so the clue is: those areas of Scientology where there is an added oblique direction or where he has gotten you to veer off, to the left, right, up or down as you get close to the goal point. And again he built this in. But people just don't sit down and read what he wrote, exactly as he wrote it. That is, they didn't look at the clues.

Okay, I'll give you a clue now. Read the Auditor's Code. Go back and read the original Auditor's Code, even in the First Book, the first edition of the First Book. As you well know, Dianetics, Modern Science of Mental Health has gone through several changes over the years, so go back and get some original editions, sayin 1950, 1951, etc - around in there, 1952.

So one clue is: Do not evaluate for the preclear. So what has L. Ron Hubbard done, particularly in the upper levels? He has evaluated for the preclear. He has handed your preclear the incidents to run. He has handed your preclear the preclear's time track. So what's the solution? You run the preclear's time track! Not your time track or L. Ron Hubbard's time track or anybody else's. Any time L. Ron Hubbard has given you in any of the writings such as OT3, Xemu and all of that stuff on a silver platter, reject it. You as the auditor find out what is in the pc's bank and run it. Don't let anyone - L. Ron Hubbard, your cat or the milkman - evaluate for the preclear. What he has done is given incidents and time track tailor-made to veer you off of actual achievement of the state of ability of Clear and OT. And reduced it to (on purpose) a state of thought, a decisional thing, a thinkingness state rather than a doingness state.

As you well know, MEST Clear is clearing up to 4.0 on the tone scale. That's a Clear state in which you have theta and body in combination. Above that you have theta Clear which is clearing of the thetan itself. And then you have OT which rests in actual fact around Tone 20. Of course, about past that point you're out of the MEST universe and just about as effective as a broken crutch so if you still want to stay in here and play games in this here world and interact with the universe in general, you'd better not launch too far above Tone 20. I'm talking about being effective. Unless you enjoy sitting above it all and kind of humming and being, and that's about all you do. "I'm being, being, being" - that gets awful dull, guys!

Therefore, "Do not evaluate for the preclear" is a prime rule. And here again it's where L. Ron Hubbard got his case involved. You must learn to separate L. Ron Hubbard's own case and the tech. He probably had more withholds than anybody on the planet and he couldn't handle his own case so he would hope other people would handle it for him. So the incidents in his own case, his own bank, rolled out and he handed them to other people to run.

Clue No. 2: You might also find it advantageous to somewhere along the line in someone's case that you're running, to run out L. Ron Hubbard and his case. Proper assignment of source, proper assignment of cause, proper assignment of origination and "whose case is whose?" Whose time track is it anyway, his or yours? Run your own case and you'll make it. So let's everybody quit running around trying to clear L. Ron Hubbard and worry about clearing themselves or getting their pc's clear. Or getting their students trained up so they're just as able as all getout.

You've got to realize too that Dad put a lot of implants in a lot of people. A whole lot of them. As an example, my mother, me, quite a number of other women, and what have you. These were put in there in order to expand his own Magick tech and power. Not particularly the tech but his personal power. That is, to strip the seal from the soul and to gain through those doorways opened by the Magick tech more power for himself. As the saying goes, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's precisely what happened to him.

If anyone recalls the old 80 processes - 8-80, 8-8008 and such, the energy flows, ridges, etc, you know then that if you get a flow going in only one direction too long and too heavy it starts to stick. And when you have a stuck flow it starts to build up a ridge. And when the ridge gets to be too solid and too big what does it do? It implodes and collapses right on top of you. I think organizationally you will see that the flow went from you to LRH and boy did it get stuck! There was nothing coming back. It was not a two way flow. And within the area of his involvement with the Magick the same thing occurred to him. He finally had everything collapse on him. And that's prompted by greed - his greed - and his need and desire for power in order to maintain the lie, because it in itself acts as a vacuum and demands more and more power on a geometric progression.

Truth in itself is its own power source. Truth IS. Any is-ness doesn't need exterior power, it is self-powered. It just kind of sits there and glows a little bit and it will do it forever because it has done it forever. But to maintain a lie, a falsehood, a fiction, one needs to really pump the juice into it and keep pumping. The more you pump the more it needs. And the more it needs the more it needs and the more it demands until it finally just implodes. And implodes right on Dad's head. And this is precisely what happened. Dad always felt that he was above any law and felt he had to take the shortcut. He was in a hurry and so therefore he was not a respector of persons, minds or people (people defined as thetans). The Magick tech itself has quite a number of very basic rules and regulations that demand to be met or what happens to you is what happened to L. Ron Hubbard. Crash! Again he did not practise what he preached and did not follow a gradient and he paid for it.

He was a Master Adept of the Mysteries, but he broke the rules.

As an aside here, some time ago I heard about some kind of letter floating about from some galactic being who said they had taken over the body of L. Ron Hubbard, that the thetan known as L. Ron Hubbard had somehow disappeared. That's a crock of nonsense. I wish to make it very clear that he was a Master Adept of the Mysteries and he was not possessed of other beings, that is, there weren't a whole group of thetans in his head or connected to him. L. Ron Hubbard was not a medium in the spiritualist definition, they didn't speak through him. He was not a Seth, there was not some great, grand being out there who was using, manipulating or channeling communications, truths, etc. through him. He was a Master Adept of the Mysteries. It has its own gradients and levels and instead of working his way up through them as many have done in the past - in using old Scientology vernacular, he climbed the pole. He did a quantum leap, and I might add, at great expense to others. Because he didn't climb the gradient, it of course resulted in great instability. Another way to put it that is quite accurate is that he had a great deal of knowledge and very little wisdom. And when one is dealing with that much power, one had better be very wise indeed, I assure you.

He first became involved in the Magick at the age of sixteen, when he read Aleister Crowley's book, The Book of the Law. And because of that Book of the Law, he also started his heavy drug usage trail which led to heavier and heavier use of drugs on himself and of course others in order to reach his goals - to be the most powerful being in the universe. If L. Ron Hubbard had a great deal of knowledge and very little wisdom, then Aleister Crowley did too. The difference between the two men was that Aleister Crowley had very little motivation. Aleister felt rather contented to just quietly be the Beast 666 instead of implementing the Magick for personal gain. This lack of drive and ambition, I think, pushed Dad onward, because to him the only reason and purpose for power was the exercising and the using of it.

It was his goal to be the most powerful being in the universe. He came very close to achieving this goal. As you know, one is always greater than that which he creates. And if L. Ron Hubbard can create OTs, that makes L. Ron Hubbard what?

When Aleister Crowley died in 1947 that's when Dad decided he would take over the mantle of the Beast and that is the seed and the beginning of Dianetics and Scientology. The Magick tech transcends Scientology tech, but there again, Dad felt that he was above any and all law. Well, one can't be above the Magick laws or one is going to find himself in oblivion and that's exactly what happened. It's extremely foolish for man or beast to think they can contain an exploding hydrogen bomb in their hip pocket. You're dealing in the very basic woof, warp and substance of this universe and you don't fool around with it lightly. Such as the Wall of Fire, which is as L. Ron Hubbard sees it. That again is his incident, his perception and therefore is an evaluation for your preclear. That situation, that concept, is within your preclear but you had better find out how the preclear sees it and what the preclear's experiences with it were and are, and what the content of his track is.

You're not going to like this folks, but the Wall of Fire is quite literally one of the Gates of Hell in the fullest biblical sense. It's one of the power doors of the Magick. Dad got pretty jammed up on it and quite literally stuck in the doorway, again because of his misuse of the Magick. Since he could not handle the incident, he gave it to you to run. That's a fact, check it out.

One of the sad things about all of this - in the OT levels and the theta Clear levels - is that they should be run while the pc is actually and really stably exterior. Many of these incidents and processes should only be run while the preclear is stably exterior. They were designed to be run only while outside the body not inside the body. But there again, when such things as financial factors took the front seat and it became expedient to run them both solo and with people still inside their bodies, that is one of the main reasons I say it's very dangerous and detrimental to run some of these things unless somebody is stably exterior. And make sure it isn't someone else's incident you're running out. Bodies are just plain not designed for high voltage and megawatts of power. But, you see, his opinion and idea of bodies was very low, particularly other people's bodies. He wasted bodies like popcorn, and that's the truth. Look at the hundreds of people that were close to him that were either rejected, disposed of, gotten rid of, or realized the truth and cut and run before it was too late. There are now at least a thousand people on the outside for every one person on the inside, when in truth and fact it should be the reverse.

One of the primary injuctions in the Magick is to hide. That's quite necessary and very important, not bad or wrong. Part of that primary injunction is to be totally secret, to protect the doors, to protect true source and the actual path to power and the power tech itself, and to protect the realm of the deep. Now the realm of the deep is not a fourth dimension nor is it another galaxy or planet nor is it some past empire or future empire. It exists now. It does not co-exist in the same space as the MEST universe and doesn't really have a spatial relationship, but you could say it exists next to this universe, and more accurately, under this universe. They are not connected by matter, space or time but they can be bridged and of course they can be accessed. The realm of the deep could also be called the reverse of this universe, but that's not quite true because that would also carry a negative connotation and the realm of the deep is not negative. The realm of the deep also lies below the bottom of the tone scale. At this point states of being and geography are the same. It's a realm not to be feared necessarily, but certainly respected.

The Magick of course goes back many thousands of years and reached its zenith of open use and application (at least compared to today) at the height of the Egyptian empire. It was carried down verbally by a hundred generations of Egyptian priests before it was even first written down and codified. They were very careful before this long litany of verbal transmission that whenever it was written it was written in bits and pieces and was kept laying about in different locations, very similar to the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle being spread about. It would be similar to having the bits and pieces of an atomic bomb spread apart. Then if and as needed, it could be assembled and generally it would go off with a bang. The priests themselves had learned of the wisdom of several individuals each holding different component parts to prevent the same sort of thing that has happened with L. Ron Hubbard and Adolf Hitler and of course some of the popes and the Borgia family, Napoleon and Alexander the Great.

As an interesting sidelight, the same individual that transmitted the various Magick tech to Adolf Hitler as a young man also transmitted them to Dad. And like Dad, Hitler, when he came to power, promptly had his teachers and the occult field in general wiped out. This might answer for you in some small way the similarities of the Sea Org and the Guardian's Office to the S.S. and Gestapo. Remember the old revolutionary rule which states one has to, the moment one comes to power, suppress those very things that achieved the power. You must not allow the populace or anyone else to do the things you did to get you there. Which is one of the reasons there has been a great vocal suppression of hypnosis, because that is an entrance point to the Magick which my father used a great deal of, clear up through the fifties and clear up to the point he died.

I'll give you another clue: Hypnosis used properly within the Magick tech actually puts the body to sleep, not the theta, not the being, and without pain and drugs is quite harmless. Go back to good old Dianetics by the way, and examine the term and condition of reverie. That's a hypnotic trance. If one is not allowed to go into a trance then of course one cannot find the doors now, can one? The trance state is used for an entirely different purpose than one would imagine hypnosis being used for. Of course though, Dad was in a hell of a hurry so he got into the whole drug, pain, S&M scene very heavily. While it is not an accurate term, he also got involved in spirit writing. That's not exactly what he did but it will fit here for the short space left on this tape. They could be termed "affirmations" in which he put himself into a deep drugged trance and would feed back his own voice from the very early transcribers and tape recorders. There again, you would be quite mistaken if you thought Scientology writing came from spirit writing as it is commonly understood in the occult field, and please don't confuse the occult with the Magick. It's a very easy trap to get into, but don't confuse them. So, more later, and this is the end of tape 1.

More by L Ron Hubbard Jr. - Ron DeWolfe:
Interview in Penthouse Magazine (with images)1983 Testimony during 1982 Clearwater Commission Hearings Son of Scientology - Newkirk Herald Newspaper Article 1982 Affidavit of L Ron Hubbard Jr.